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Oral history transcript, Joseph A. Califano, interview 10 (X), 9/23/1987, by Michael L. Gillette
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- and the peace movement--working either for [Cyrus] Vance, or as general counsel of the army, or for [Robert] McNamara, so I had some experience. I remember telling the President--well, first of all, when I finally got to the President, when I finally started--I