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Oral history transcript, Joseph A. Califano, interview 12 (XII), 10/29/1987, by Michael L. Gillette
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- had twenty-five conversations with Roy Wilkins or Whitney Young for every one I had with Dr. King. King was a little bit lofty, a little bit off up there. Even if I look at the pictures I've got of meetings with black leaders, King is not there nearly