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Oral history transcript, Joseph A. Califano, interview 15 (XV), 12/15/1987, by Michael L. Gillette
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- and Fowler and Martin fly down together to the Ranch, do you recall? C: My recollection is--and you'd have to check the flights--that we were all on the same plane, that we came down on a Learjet. I don't recall anything, any real conversation