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Oral history transcript, Joseph A. Califano, interview 11 (XI), 10/28/1987, by Michael L. Gillette
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- Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh Califano -- XI -- 4 about it. Sometime after Watts or at some other point I do remember him in a long conversation talking about violence