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Oral history transcript, Elizabeth (Liz) Carpenter, interview 2 (II), 4/4/1969, by Joe B. Frantz
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- in a Natural Beauty message to Congress, he found that the First Lady was a very attentive and knowledgeable participant in the conversation; that she had a mind that grasped ••• This is not to say the President didn't. But I think he was more startled--Udall