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Oral history transcript, Clark M. Clifford, interview 5 (V), 12/15/1969, by Joe B. Frantz (Item)
  • . Robert McNamara came in in 1961 and had some very strong ideas about it. He and I had a number of long visits about the matter. I gave him the information that I had going back to the genesis of the Department itself, when he took over the Department. He