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Oral history transcript, Joseph A. Califano, interview 8 (VIII), 9/21/1987, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)
  • : No, I didn't. I had had very good training from [Robert] McNamara in connection with the supersonic transport in which we had cabinet members on that committee and in which he dealt very toughly with them. And I felt that I was doing what the President