Oral history transcript, David Ginsburg, interview 4 (IV), 11/11/1988, by Michael L. Gillette

Financing the recommendations of the National Advisory Commission of Civil Disorders with the fiscal dividend; the rush to release the Commission's report; communication between Ginsburg and Joe Califano; John Lindsay's political aspirations; concern that the Commission's recommendations would compete with funding for the Vietnam War; Victor Palmieri; how Califano kept the Commission's work and report from being studied or implemented; Harry McPherson; Fred Harris; conflict between the Commission's recommendations and LBJ's budgeted programs; housing recommendations; the great cost of the Commission's recommendations; the omission of support for the Great Society programs in the Commission's report; training and racial integration in the National Guard; visiting Newark, New Jersey; proposed creation of jobs; prioritizing the areas of need; gun control; the decision for commissioners to stay out of the legislative process; "Harvest of Racism" report; the exclusion of representatives of the black power movement from the Commission; why some cities, such as St. Louis, had no rioting; publishing the Commission's report commercially; finalizing the report and press coverage of its release; disbanding the Commission; comparing the problems of the 1960s to those of the 1980s and what Ginsburg would recommend in 1988; LBJ's contribution of hope to the black poverty problem in the United States; how the black inner city population changed and the situation deteriorated after 1967